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Post by ADMIN on Jun 19, 2012 13:50:50 GMT -5
Neil, It would be a different story if the umpires from said city, weren't telling coaches "Don't even bring me that rulebook". And also of the mercy rule in that same city, when questioned by multiple not only one, coaches in separate games haven't been given the opportunity to even discuss these issues. And as for the pre game talk, who in their right mind would bring up a mercy rule before a game. That would either cause an uproar or have the questioning coach potentially embarassed. Its hard enough to get the rules about different bases at first and field dimensions(i.e. Out of play and such) in a couple of minute briefing. I personally have had umpires from that same city state that a pitcher cannot where white Under Armor. That is not gamesmanship, that is uneducated and way to young behind the plate umpires. If I had a game in which there was a rules dispute in which the ump seemed confused and dazed by the DBA rules you can bet your bottom dollar that the specific rule in question would go on my list of items to cover in ground rules for every game thereafter. That, indeed, is just the way that I handled these things during the years I was managing games in the DBA and is exactly what managers are told to do at the managers' meeting in the spring. Managers are our best line of defense in these situations since, presumably, they are the best preapred people on the field. Whether or not I was in my right mind is another question. But I know that this works. Because there is no "call" at issue in grounds rules, and a manager is not telling the umpire or other manger that he/she is wrong, people tend to be much more reasonable and less adversarial. I would love to know the specific of each game in which an umpire has told you or another manager to that they were not interested in our rule book. I would make it my personal mission to get to the bottom of it. N.
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Post by Arrow Slinger on Jun 19, 2012 15:50:27 GMT -5
It stands to reason that your defense of said city is the city to which you currently manage. A 16 year old behind the plate, told me not to bring the rule book out. You can dress them up as nice as can be but a 16 year old is still a kid. They get a little power and they tell you things like we follow our rules not DBA rules. Its not like Riverview is the only one at fault, AP has its own problems as well. As does even small South Rockwood. I just wish all of the umpires could be somewhat on the same page.
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Post by ADMIN on Jun 19, 2012 16:56:00 GMT -5
It stands to reason that your defense of said city is the city to which you currently manage. A 16 year old behind the plate, told me not to bring the rule book out. You can dress them up as nice as can be but a 16 year old is still a kid. They get a little power and they tell you things like we follow our rules not DBA rules. Its not like Riverview is the only one at fault, AP has its own problems as well. As does even small South Rockwood. I just wish all of the umpires could be somewhat on the same page. Bobby: If you think that I would defend the RBA under circumstances where they were blowing off the effort put into the DBA then you know as much about me as a pig does of Sunday. In fact, please point out to me anywhere where I was defending an ump not following the correct rules. I will say it as simply as I can for you: variations in umpire understanding or implimentation of our rules is not a good thing. It does, however, happen. The best defense we have against this is prepared managers. I have provided the DBA's position as to how to handle rules issues. Whether managers care to follow that guidance I guess is up to the indivdual managers. I have asked for specifc detail on the game or games in question. None has been forthcoming. You can email it to mail@dbacentral.org (the email address at the bottom of your rules) if you don't want to post here. If you want to talk about this in real time, feel free to call me: 734-283-8031. N.
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