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Post by fedupmom on Jul 22, 2008 8:35:31 GMT -5
My daughter is on the Wyandotte team # 4 and I cannot for the life of me understand how coaches are interupting the game and changing calls that the umpires make. I understand that these umps are young and there for these coasches intimadate them, hold up the game and upset the girls. These are 10 year old girls. When we played Allen Park #1 These coaches were allowed to run the game. They called the plays, and even went as far as holding up the game to call whoever they were calling and hold up the game for at least 45mins. They went as far as stealing a base and when our coach proteseted they were back on the phone. This was the worst show of sportsmanship I have ever seen. I hope who ever they play in the future does not have to watch such game and their kids will not have to go through what are girls had to put up with.
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Post by ADMIN on Jul 22, 2008 16:04:57 GMT -5
From the viewpoint of an administrator, an equally important question is why, in the last week of the season, there should be any significant rules disputes. Most rules dispute silliness comes from ill prepared managers and/or umpires; but, after 2 months of playing games one would think that all lessons which needed to be learned were, in fact, learned. Since there is typically only one correct answer, if there were arguments that means that someone was wrong. Why were they wrong?
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Post by fedupmom on Jul 23, 2008 8:46:48 GMT -5
I will tell you why, its because these coaches want to win no matter what the cost. These two coaches were over the top an umpire would make the call and right away they were on the field holding up the game and calling on their cell phones. These umps were young and easily intimated by two adults yelling and calling on cell phones. It was so bad that the girls were sitting down in the field when they would come out to dispute what they thought was a bad call. It made our girls so nervous that they forgot and were so shaken that they could hardley play. You had to see it to believe it.
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Post by ADMIN on Jul 23, 2008 16:24:10 GMT -5
If you feel sufficiently energized by all this, and if you are unhappy with your own manager's conduct, you should take your concerns to the Wyandotte management. They are good folks and I am sure they will listen closely to you.
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Post by fedupmom on Jul 24, 2008 7:58:59 GMT -5
No No you have it wrong it was the other team who was out of controll. Our coach was nothing but calm and cool and handled everything better than I or some of the other parents would have handled it. My whole point of this was saying how do coaches override umpires calls and get away with it. I think I made myself pretty clear that the coaches on the OTHER team were the ones causing all the problems. Our coach was calm and cool and handled the whole situtation the best way possible. It was a no win situation with those people. And my point was totally missed.
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Post by sbmom on Jul 24, 2008 10:12:59 GMT -5
The coaches for both Allen Park's team, in the 10U softball league, are known by all for their antics. Every game my daughter has played against them and EVERY game I have watched them play, these coaches cause some sort of disagreement with the umpire.
The first AP team we played, the coach yelled at the UMP 4 x's. The next game we played against the other AP team, the AP coach argued with the coach and the UMP. Didn't get them any where, the UMP stood by his call, so they didn't get what they wanted.
This is not the MLB. It's 10 years old's! Get a grip...
This season is not determining if a kid is getting a 4 year scholarship to a college if they win the game! There are no college scouts coming to these games! What a parent wants is for their girls to have fun & learn something so they can (and want to) go to the next age level.
Everyone is sick of the way they act. I bet the umpires dread it when they are advised that their umping for an AP game...
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Post by sbmom on Jul 24, 2008 10:58:24 GMT -5
And by the way, I agree your point was totally missed by the "Admin" replying to your post.
You were trying to make the point that these coaches should not be allowed to argue with the UMP & stop a game (let alone for 45 minutes) and frazzle the girls.
Unbelievable...
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Post by ADMIN on Jul 25, 2008 6:24:09 GMT -5
Oh, I am sorry, I thought this discussion was something more than "them vs us."
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Post by fedupmom on Jul 25, 2008 7:48:53 GMT -5
I am so glad that someone else agrees with what happened in our game. This was the playoffs and they were more over the top than usual. Our coach knew there was no point in arguing with these coaches after the first three times they interupted the game, called on cell phones, and made up their own rules as we went along. These umps were very young and no adult was there to help these kids. I think in the future there needs to be an adult somewhere watching and backing up these young kids who are put in these positions. I thought when an ump made a call that was that. I have never seen nothing like this and I hope it will never happen again. And I totally agree that this a learning experience and these girls should be out there having fun. I could careless if my daughters team win or looses. Its just when things are so blaten and out of controll is when I and the other parents get upset. Its very sad to adults acting the way these people did.
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Post by gfpwatcher on Jul 27, 2008 14:05:02 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. I would also like to add that this is suppose to be a learning experience. For this to be a learning experience you first of all need to know the game. It has been stated in a different posting that most of the board is more of hardball than softball. This should be addressed in the future. Also in reguards to the umps. Yes, there are many "young" umps. They do not know the game or the rules. This only causes issues with those that do know the game and rules. If this experience is to teach our young children to understand and learn the game and ready them for middle school and high school ball, then teach it.
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Post by ADMIN on Jul 27, 2008 19:58:02 GMT -5
Now there is something on which we agree. More fastpitch people need to step up and get involved. I can guarantee you, no one has been standing in their way.
Get your home association to make you one of their DBA reps. I am sure you will find it both educational and rewarding.
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Post by ap1coach on Jul 28, 2008 8:20:28 GMT -5
I am the coach of the AP#1 team, it's funny how each team has there own view of what happened during that game. The first disruption of the game was when the Wyandotte coach tried to persuade these young umpires to move his runner to third as a result of interference. Wrong call, a runner only gets the base that they attempt to go to, the runner gets second. I only became involved when the umpire was going to make an incorrect call. The second delay of game came when a foul ball was called when a batted ball hit our batter. The wyandotte coach persuaded the umpire to call her out because it hit her in fair territory. I asked the umpire (because there were no batters boxes) were the batters box went to, he told me six inches in front of the plate, wrong call. The third delay of game came when our player was walked and proceeded to second, where she was safe. Again the Wyandotte coach came screaming out of the dugout trying to get the umpire to call her out. Every coach in this league received a ton of emails about this rule all season. Even if you don't agree with the rule it is still a rule in place. This was the longest delay because the umpires called the umpire in chief to come over to the game. At this point it was the Wyandotte coach who was spoken to about his behavior and not being prepared for the game, not me. At no point was there an issue with my behavior including when the Wyandotte parents were taunting me for walking away from the conflict stating "your running away now when the rules come out" I feel I am very well versed in high school rules and if a game continues to be played by the wrong rule are we teaching the kids and the umpires anything? I hope everyone has a great end of the summer, when it all comes down to it we need to support fast pitch softball and continue it's growth in the downriver area.
Kathy
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